Game 5, black
16...exd4
Commentary for black move 16:
YASSER SEIRAWAN: Well, I don't think that the IBM team would
want to get in a car with Deep Blue driving. I don't think
so. I don't think so. But one of the beautiful parts about
Deep Blue's calculation, its unconventional approach to chess
is because the computer considers every possibility, it also
considers the paradoxical possibility.
GK MOVE: 16 Nf3
DB MOVE: 16...exd4
MAURICE ASHLEY: We're anticipating Kasparov to play Nxd4
because
the other response would give him an isolated pawn and that's
considered in the textbooks as a weakness, that Kasparov would
rather not have. So we're respecting him to play Nxd4, but he
is considering the move. We look at the clock time, Kasparov
has used one hour -- he has left one hour and 26 minutes, I
believe it says, while Deep Blue has over an hour and a half.
There's one hour and 25 minutes now for his first 16 moves.
Remember, the time control is 40 moves in two hours, 40 moves
in 120 minutes. You can use your time as you wish. You can
distribute that time, you can spend 20 minutes on one move, if
you like. You can spend ten seconds on another move. And so
Kasparov will judge exactly what he needs to spend on each
move
depending on how critical that situation is in the game.
Deep Blue we've seen regularly just /TKREPL out moves, less than
three minutes, just about every time. It's been rare that it's
spent more than four minutes on a move, and we've noted those
times. It's like almost with shock when you see Deep Blue
spending that kind of time because for a program to not think
that long except in very, very dicey situations.
We do have another question from the audience. 67899
gentleman -- the gentleman over there --
AUDIENCE MEMBER: The gentleman over there asked if Deep Blue
searched every possibility, and even the best programs don't
search every possibility. Even Deep Blue, who is 200 million
moves a second, if it were to search to a depth of 12 ply,
would take it like 2,000 years for it to actually calculate
every possible move to a depth of 12. I'm sure there's people
who know more about this than I do --
YASSER SEIRAWAN: They're going to be on stage soon.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Probably. But in general --
MAURICE ASHLEY: In five minutes actually.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: -- very simply, there is a search algorithm
called alpha-beta search which basically does prune off certain
branches that are not as good as others, if there's -- Deep
Blue -- well, not Deep Blue necessarily, but an alpha-beta
search would look down at sort of the ending of moves after
it's generated everything and would throw out the ones that are
really stupid and wouldn't be used for anything, which of
course could lead to the possibility that there's like
checkmate next turn, which it wouldn't necessarily see if it
was at the very lowest level. But Deep Blue also can use
selective deepening where it would go down further in the tree
and sort of expand out like the gentleman was saying about
Fritz going down like 32 ply for certain things, just to
clarify that.
MAURICE ASHLEY: Thank you, we have a very knowledgeable
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/SKPWREPBS we take advantage of the vast store of knowledge.
YASSER SEIRAWAN: Absolutely. And the idea of what the
gentleman
was saying was that if Deep Blue kept looking at every
possibility and every counter possibility and every counter
possibility and so on, very quickly you have an exponential
explosion of numbers, and then it just gets overwhelmed so that
at some point it starts pruning its tree and stops looking at
too much garbage so that it can look deeper. But one of IBM's
computer scientists I believe is going to be joining us and
giving us some insight to that kind of thing.
MAURICE ASHLEY: If you look for example at this position that
Kasparov is in right now, Kasparov is thinking about this
situation. But how many moves can Kasparov possibly be
considering right now in this position? All of two, I would
say.
YASSER SEIRAWAN: Indeed. He either has two possibilities.
MAURICE ASHLEY: Now, we say only two possibilities. Deep Blue
would only come in and say no, he doesn't he has about 45 and
after that it's about 200,000 and after that he has another
hundred million, right? (Audience laughter.) But we organize
"No, he has only two, and that's all he's looking at right now
is what comes after this move, these two moves.
Deep Blue will look at all the other junk. Deep Blue will look
at random moves from a3, a4, okay, and all the possibilities
that stem from that, b2, b4, all the possibilities that stem
from that, even crazy queen sacrifices, Qxe7. It sees
everything and just looks and says, "Maybe that works, who
knows, and it keeps looking. So you've got to understand that
although it has amazing calculating power, it looks at a lot of
junk with that power. 99 percent of the stuff just wouldn't
occur to us, couldn't come to our minds, eeb. I know it's
astonishing, chess Grandmasters, whenever a decent move says
what about this move? How quickly the Grandmaster says, "I
didn't even see that move, and you know why? Because it's
bad."
YASSER SEIRAWAN: Exactly. It's true. That's why you have many
talented Grandmasters who understand chess and it's very
natural to them. But it is a very, very difficult. It also
sees a very, very great deal of hidden beauty, and some of the
computer's ideas are -- some of the computer's ideas are quite
attractive. And I'd like to get a question from the left.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: I don't know if it's Hal usenating or if
something was meant to be this way but I think on the side of
the table over in the room it says Garry Kasparov with two R's,
and I'd just like to point that out.
YASSER SEIRAWAN: We're going to fire the stage hand
immediately
after this question was asked.
The young gentleman had pointed out that Garry Kasparov's table,
his name is misspelled.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: He does have two R's.
YASSER SEIRAWAN: "Garry." I thought you said "Kasparov" had
two. No, Garry does spell his name with two R's.
Phonetically, it's a Russian name so when it goes from the
Cyrillic to our alphabet, it /HARZ the Garrrrry," or
"Garry," --
MAURICE ASHLEY: Either with, Garry with two R's, or Garry with
one R, it's Garry.
YASSER SEIRAWAN: We won't worry about that too much. But
we
will wonder, Yaz, in this position, why is he thinking so long
about this move? I mean Nxd4 is very, very natural, and cxd4
is a little ugly. Not necessarily a bad move, but it is a
little ugly. Why is Garry thinking so long about this option?
YASSER SEIRAWAN: Well, this is one of the things that
Grandmasters try to do in top-notch, tournament level chess.
And this is just kind of a carryover from the way Garry plays
against human beings. He has an obvious move. It's obvious
he's planning Nxd4. But rather than simply play the move, what
he would do if I was his opponent is try to come as far as he
can, calculate as far as he can and try to set up an ambush, or
to trick me down the line. And when he's playing the computer
and there's a forced capture like this there's no reason not to
make the capture quickly because it's going to be very hard for
the human to predict the human's moves. He could not have
predicted Bb5, could not have predicted Bb4+. He just says
these are a bad move, they're not a part of my consciousness,
I'm not going to worry about them.
So in this moment he's trying to understand the position as much
as he can so he can set up a tactical shot /AOR an -- or an
ambush down the road.
MAURICE ASHLEY: He doesn't look like he's trying to understand
anything, though. Look at the head and the hands in this
posture.
YASSER SEIRAWAN: He's suffering.
MAURICE ASHLEY: He doesn't look as if he's too happy about the
situation.
YASSER SEIRAWAN: We have a question from the audience.
Yes,
sir?
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